Forefathers

Forefathers

By training ourselves to get into that state during our meditation several Sages come to us and shower their grace on us. We will also get the blessings of our forefathers and other blood relations.

The members of our family who have died earlier do not take a rebirth immediately but stay in the spirit world doing good to the members who have blood relations with them.

1.They live as family deities and do much more good to their blood relations than what they were doing when they were alive in this world.
2.They continue to do so till all their blood relations die or leave this physical world.

In the birth and death there are several states. We worship our forefathers by offering them food and that food we offer to the birds. When the birds come and eat the food we feel satisfied that our elders have taken.

How do the elders come in the state of the birds…?

It does not mean that their souls enter the body of those birds. Just as Sages and Rishis do our forefathers merge their thoughts into the thoughts of those birds, make them go there and as the birds take the food they absorb the smell of the food offered by us.

To know that our forefathers have come and taken the food we make the birds a tool. It is easy for them to act through the birds that are flying. It is possible for any of those spirits to enter into anybody and make them act as per its wishes.

Those spirits will enter the bodies that have the same character as theirs. You might have noticed some birds coming at a particular time every day and taking the food offered to them.

One of the souls that lived in this world recently in the name of Arunagiri Nathar is coming and taking the food offered to it through a bird.

1.There is a life in the astral world also.
2.In this human life we eat, work and sleep. In this life the life of those who are in the astral world is also combined.
3.Those who are in the astral world are also moving with us.

Just as we take photos of persons and things in this physical world it is possible to take pictures of those in the astral world also.

If man develops the power that lies dormant in him he can see all that happens in the astral world. Those who live there do so with their thoughts and deeds.

Their souls have the power to smell and absorb the food required by them and maintain their bodies.

When we are in our physical bodies we prepare our food from the physical matter. The souls that do not have a physical body but remain in the astral world with their astral bodies get their food from astral matter.

Those who have died from some families come to those houses even today and absorb the smell from the food offered to them and also from the food prepared in those houses.

You might have heard of some people who, while in their sleeping state, get up, do domestic work, prepare food and eat. They do all these in their sleeping state and when they wake up, they do not remember any of these things.

1.There are several people who do so many things in their sleeping state.
2.All these are done by some spirits who have not satisfied their desires.

These are done by the spirits that enter into the bodies of the persons, merge their desires with that of the person, make them forget their real state and execute their wishes through this body.

These are done by those spirits that are not able to subdue the thoughts of the persons while they are awake and so get their wishes executed by the body while it is in a sleeping state.

All the things that are being done by those in their sleeping state are by the spirits that are roaming about in the spirit world around us with the idea of fulfilling their desires, through some person’s body when the body is sleeping.

1.The meditation that we do will help us in not getting influenced by other spirits
2.but remain in our own state.

People live with association of spirits only

I have told you that we live in this world with the association of spirits and influenced by several atoms. I told you about the state of Taj Mahal.
 
There are several temples in the same state. What is the state of the big temple of Brahadeesvar at Tanjore in South India…?
1.That temple is the thoughts of the King Raja Raja Chola who ruled there.
2.The king’s soul left the body of the king with the same thoughts with which he built the temple and “remains there…”
 
The soul without taking a rebirth and not going to the mental region is roaming in the temple “with the same desires even today…”
 
There are other temples also which are in the same state. The people in those days built temples as per the states of their mind.
 
The people who live today in one place have the same kind of thoughts as those who lived there in olden days.
 
The souls that have left their bodies from one place with some of their desires not completely fulfilled
1.enter the bodies of the people who have the same kind of thoughts
2.and complete the works left unfinished by them.
 
Is this the state of all the people…? Is there no one without the association of other spirits…? Does this state apply only to India…? What about the states of people in other countries in this world…? Such questions may arise in the minds of people who read this.
 
When our mind is influenced by excessive greed, anger or hatred we are liable to be attacked by some spirits from the outside world.
 
Since our thoughts in our previous births and the way in which we live now are connected the thoughts of people in the same families differ. The atoms relating to our thoughts accumulate in our bodies.
 
When we sow a certain seed we will not get a different plant. Each person has contact with spirits according to his thoughts.
 
To get ourselves relieved from this state, our elders who are in the higher regions have shown us the way of idol worship avoiding of greed and anger and live a life of love.
1.The right way to live is to follow the way shown to us by those great souls
2.and not allow ourselves to be influenced by other spirits.
 
Astrology and viewing in a black ointment and finding out some facts are also done by help of some spirits. In some temples approval or disapproval of the deities are obtained by the use of flowers of their choice.
1.In some other temples the priest gets into a trance and gives some advice.
2.All these are done with the help of spirits.
 
These have come as a hereditary practice by which some spirits get their desires fulfilled using the name of God.
 
Today we find the spirits functioning in the name of God in our land. In this world thoughts of the people who lived in the various parts come in the bodies of various persons and act though they have gone to the spirit world.
 
In all parts of the world such states are worked with the help of spirits. A scientist shines in his work by the help of some spirit which acts through him.
 
In all parts of the world people live having association with spirits. It is only those who realize the real state of their self and live, that can go to the mental world.
 
Those who live in association with other spirits take several more births in this world. It will be good if a person takes several births as human beings but should not sink down from this state and take birth as animals, worms etc. and go on circulating in the cycle of birth and death subject to distress.
 
Once a person takes birth in an animal's body
1.the soul will know about all that took place when it was in a human body.
2.Why should we think of what has taken place already in previous lives
3.brood over them and live as animals…?
 
It is only the illusive body that changes but not our thoughts which remain permanently for ever. Our thoughts are going round our soul in all our incarnations.
 
Everyone should realize this truth and try to cherish good thoughts in his mind always.

Get rid of spirits which are roaming around us

Several people during their life time in this world have contact with the souls in the higher regions. The Siddas and Gnanis from their higher states guide those who are spiritually minded in this world.
 
There are some other spirits or souls that get into the person who has got similar thoughts.
1.They do so without the knowledge of the person into whom they enter
2.and make the man a slave and obey the commands of the spirit inside him.
 
Some spirits which left their bodies in a good state remain in the higher world, having an affection for its blood relations, help their families to do some good things which they have left undone during their life time in this world.
 
They will go on doing such help till their blood relations are alive.
1.The family members might not know these
2.but will think that the good things for them are being done by God's grace.
 
Such souls will take rebirth in an appropriate body only after their desires have been fulfilled.
 
Those souls that lead a life of revenge, greed and other bad qualities enter into the bodies of like minded persons and through them get do acts of revenge and hatred which they had during their life time in this world but could not execute.
 
Due to the effects of the bad spirit that has entered into his body, the man takes such breath that animals take and in his next birth he will get into an animals' body and be born as an animal.
 
Our next birth depends upon the “nature of our life during this life time…”
 
Today what thoughts, intelligence and capacity a man has got, the animals and birds also have. Animals and birds can remember about their past lives better than man.
 
Dogs can know about all the states. But as the animals do not have the capacity of expression and limbs to act they brood over their defects and live as animals.
 
Man kills those animals and eats its flesh as a delicious food. By eating the flesh of animals and birds man gets into his body atoms of those beings. The characters of those atoms do not change by cooking them.
 
1.There are spirits in various states in this world
2.and we should not give room to bad atoms from those spirits to enter into our bodies.
 
The small depressed attitude that we may sometimes get should not be allowed to go round us and we should refine our state.
 
There are several states among these spirits. What is the state of the spirit called Mum Taj which remains in the famous Taj Mahal in Northern India…?
 
That spirit is going round in the building even to this day. The spirit of Sha-Jahan does not like to go to a higher state. Both the spirits are roaming about in the building not having a desire to go to any higher state or take any rebirth.
 
1.They are not able to go to the mental world either.
2.Both the spirits remain in a happy state there even today.
3.They will remain in that state for ever.
 
Since they could not lead a mutually happy life during their life time in this world they are leading an ideally happy life as told in legends.
 
There are several states in the spirit world which I will explain to you tomorrow.

“Present state of Kings” who conquered several countries in olden days

Right from the kings who ruled in the olden days up to now what is our state and the state of other lives in this world, I have already told you in brief. Now I will explain all these things in detail.
 
1.We have heard of ghosts and devils guarding treasures that lie under the earth in some places.
2.What do we mean by ghosts and devils and where are they…?
 
I will now tell you what they are, so that you can know about them and lead your life.
 
What was the state of the kings who lived hundreds of thousands of years ago…?
 
Each King wanted that he and his country men should live a good life, earn lot of wealth, extend his territory and rule over others. With this idea one king invaded on another’s land and in the mad struggle that ensued between them several lives were lost.
 
What is the state of all those souls which left their physical bodies during the wars…? They left their bodies with a “vengeance…”
 
Some kings have taken treasures from the lands of the enemies whom they had defeated and buried those treasures underground.
 
The souls of the kings who have lost those treasures know where the treasures have been kept buried and guard them so that the heirs of the king who has buried the treasure cannot dig out and take those treasures.
 
The soul of the king who brought the treasures and buried them also guard it so that the heirs of the king who was defeated cannot come and take them out.
 
In this world there are lots of gold, jewels, idols and other precious things lying under ground guarded by ghosts. In some places the ghosts that guard the treasures lose their power or get disgusted and take another birth.
 
It is only then that these treasures are dug out and taken by those who have the right over them. The states of many of the Kings who ruled the countries in those days are the same.
 
1.The state of the monarch who ruled the country with all pomp in those days is in the form of ghosts now.
2.He conquered many countries, amassed huge wealth but what did he save for his soul…?
 
What is the state of those greedy kings who bet their trumpets for their victories…? They cannot live with their downfall now.
 
Till another Kali Yuga comes in the next cycle of Yugas after this Pralaya (deluge) they will have to start their life as a monad and come up, they will have to be wandering as ghosts.
 
The people who live now are in the grip of those ghosts and the way to escape from it I will explain in my lesson tomorrow.

Don’t give room for any other soul to enter our body

1.Live in a steady state… without thinking why God has not given you a steady state.
2.We are born in this world with the power of Sakthi to lead a life in a steady state.
 
Everyone at the end of one life thinks at least in his next life let me live in a steady state and see all the Devas (angels). But in his next birth also is not able to lead a contended life.
 
This is the state of almost all the people of this world today.
 
Some people who have not taken seven births given to human beings but had realized the truth and attained a steady state in the first birth gone to the mental world are living there as “Gnanis and Gods…”
 
We have taken all the seven births and even in this birth, we have not reached our goal.
 
To come to a steady state…
1.we should see the God who in us and know that it is he who actuates us
2.and live without disgust remaining in one steady state.
3.Then we can rise up to that state wherein we live as one among Gods.
 
The one Reality – God – is in everything. When we say there is only one God and again when we say all the Gods you may ask who are those other Gods…?
 
These several Gods are the Siddas, Sages and Rishis who come in several forms as per the wishes of each devotee and bless them.
 
Among the Kings who ruled the country in those days there were some who realized their real self took to meditation, learnt all the sciences and how to live in the mental state.
 
We have read the story of “King Vikramaditya” and tell those stories to our children also twisted in several ways now.
 
The same Vikramaditya with his same body still lives in the mental world doing several magical acts to educate the people of this world and is doing good to the people as he was doing with his material body in this world.
 
When he was ruling the country in those days he obtained steady state in which he was able to see all the existing states in this world by his severe penance.
 
It was to spoil his penance that the devil began to tell him 1001 stories during 1001 nights continuously.
 
Is it a devil that came and told these stories to the King…? No it was a Muni (a great soul in one of its advanced stages) called Vethala by name who came in the form of a devil and told him those stories.
 
The Muni who had control over the devil knew the state in which the King was and how he could absorb the grace from Sakthi.
 
Every story that the devil told him, one in each night were not stories
1.but actual facts which were impressed in the King’s mind
2.and with the grace of that muni he knew about all the states and remained steady in one state.
 
Even the King ruled the country in those days had to pass through all the stages before he could reach a state of single mindedness and live in this world.
 
It is not human beings and animals only that live in this world.
1.Around us there are several crores of souls without bodies who know all the states in this world.
2.They are in the lookout for a suitable body entering which they could fulfill their wishes good as well as bad.
 
We think we are only our soul, thought and body. In whatever way our thoughts change spirits of similar thoughts enter into us, reign over us and do what they want using our body as a borrowed vehicle.
 
We are not the only person who lives in our body.
1.There are several souls around us waiting for an opportunity to enter into our body
2.and get their desires fulfilled through our bodies.
3.We should always have our thoughts on God and not give room for any other soul to enter our body
4.and use our body as a tool to do what they want to be done.
 
If we allow this we lose the opportunity given to us in this last life to rise to that state in which we can merge with the one Divine Light.

We should not get disgusted or depressed about anything

This world is a very big one in which several great men have appeared risen to the mental state and lived therein. The state that exists in this world is not in any other world.
 
The entire universe rolls in a way connected with each other. All our elders have been connected with us in several of our births.
 
What are we to take as belonging to us…? Everything belongs to us. Some people say that the body does not belong to us.
 
If only we drive out the fear from us, our life can remain in this body and act for any number of years. If all the lives that have come out from Sakthi the Goddess of power can live taking all as one, then they can fulfill the purpose of taking this life.
 
We should not get disgusted or depressed about anything. It is these that spoil our health and life making us disinterested in anything and moving about in the world as the dice that we use in our games.
 
In such a state our soul leaves our body with disgust and takes many low births wandering about for several hundreds of years.
1.The soul loses its power to get out of that state.
2.There are countless souls like this in this world that are wandering taking low births again and again.
 
Those who read this should not do any harm to their soul. It is on account of the breath that we take that our thoughts arise. Life makes impressions of the states on the soul.
 
1.The soul knows all our states since we started as a monad in this world
2.as also our sound waves, thought waves and the breath that we took are circulating around us always.
3.Even after the soul leaves this body all these waves including those that we did not remember when the soul was in the body, will be moving around the soul.
 
During our life time there will be several things good and bad. So the sound and thought waves that we created in those days will naturally be good and bad mixed.
 
We should not mind about the loop holes that we had left and try to patch them up by taking good breath and create a state in which “only good sound and thought waves will thereafter come round us and will take only good breath and try to lead a life like our elders…”
 
This world and that world are all the same and all are intermingled. My blessings (Eswarapattar) to you all to go to the mental world.

After death what happens to the soul…?

When the life of a person in this world is over, he is said to die. It is only the body dies and decays. What happens to the soul which never dies…?
 
In order that the people may understand the truth about the state of the soul, so much importance has been given to the soul in my lessons.
 
When the soul leaves the body it is said to go to the other world. When the soul gets out of the body
1.if it has got some desires which were not fulfilled when it was in the body of that person
2.then on account of its desires the soul remains roaming about in the same place and family with the same desires till they are fulfilled.
 
There is no “time limit” for this and may extend to any number of years. It remains there without any material form as a shadow consisting of a number of atoms.

It will be there in the waves left behind by the person's speech, thought and breath while he was alive.
 
In this state there are several souls roaming about in this world. Each soul goes about roaming with the same desires that it had while it was in the body.
 
It enters into the body of a person
1.whose state of breathing, thoughts and actions are similar to its own and
2.get its wishes fulfilled through the body of that person.
 
“Meditation” helps us to escape from getting into such a state. There are several crores of atoms in a human body and they consist of many types which influence our breath and thoughts.
 
It is to escape from the effect of those bad atoms that the states of breathing and meditation are recommended which will attract the powers of God into our soul.
 
Several Rishis, Sages and Siddhas reached their high states by remaining steady in their own state and not allowing the bad atoms to influence them in any way.
 
It is in this way that they had learnt several truths and expressed them through astrology, medicine and temples. Some they have expressed and several they had hidden from the knowledge of the ordinary man.
1.They have learnt the truth, made their soul as their treasure
2.and remaining in the mental world they come in the form of several Gods and guide people in this world.
 
All persons should try to realize their soul and lead a good life in this world.
 
The way of meditating and praying God have been twisted in many ways to make money.
1.You should realize that you cannot live in this body for a long time.
2.After the soul leaves the body it should not be allowed to wander about in form of atoms.
3.We should acquire the treasure for our soul.
 
We are getting several good things from the sun. The sun gets various powers from other planets and gives them to us.
1.Similarly we should also live to help others in this world  
2.and not become a burden to others and realize the fruits of taking a human birth.

A man's state should not be affected either by good or bad things

 

The epic Ramayana written in those days though twisted in several ways the same states hold good for today also.
 
If all the people realize the truth and policy lying in the epic, there will not be the present state of confusion and one man trying to cheat the other in this world as it exists now.
 
1.By saying all I mean even those who want to do some good things
2.have been guided by their religion and have scattered the good states.
 
But what all these people say, namely. there is only one God and only one race - the human race - which has emerged out of the one 'Reality' no one belongs solely to any religion does not appeal to the mind of any man.
 
People believe what is stated in books and there are people who go to the places of worship thinking that God belongs only to them.
 
1.With the human body we do several sins and mistakes
2.and there is no one who does not do any mistake or commit any sin.
 
But man if he realizes mistake and does not repeat it again knows who he is and what his state is, takes good breath has good thoughts and does only good deeds, thinks of God always in his mind, raise his soul to higher states.
 
If we remain forever in our present state we will be encountering several pleasures and pains during our life time and we cannot do anything substantial to the welfare of our soul.
 
1.A man's state should not be affected either by good or bad things that may happen to him
2.that is he should remain in his own state independent of the happenings in the world outside him.
 
When there is a change either from happy to a sorry state or vice versa the state of our breath changes.
1.Such a change is not desirable and we should try to be in one state.
2.Changing the state of our breath often is a hindrance to the development of the soul.
 
It is to assist the people to overcome this, that the sages and gnanies have written several books explaining the forms given to several Gods.
 
1.It is by stabilizing the breath and thought
2.that a man can develop his soul and come to realize several truths during his meditation.
3.The treasure that we secure for our soul comes only from our thoughts and breath.
 
In the life of a man there are bound to be several incidents both happy and sorrowful. He maybe praised or criticized for his actions.
 
We should remain steady in our state and should not allow our state to be affected by the surrounding atmosphere.
 
This will be the real treasure that we can acquire for our soul and not what the astrologer or fortune teller gives out after making so many calculations about the positions of the various stars etc. They are only waste of time and money.

Acts of departed souls from bodies

Today in several parts of the earth we see some persons remembering about their previous life and giving the names of their father mother and other relations in that life.

How does this happen?

There are some people who are said to be haunted by some spirit or some devil has entered  into them. No devils comes and enters into any body.

The spirits in the spirit world to execute their wishes enter into the bodies of like minded persons and act. A soul without a body that has entered into  a body will leave the body only when the soul which belongs to that body leaves that body.

In some cases the soul without a body that enters into another body is more powerful than the original soul of that body and by over powering that soul exerts its influence.

In such cases we say a devil has entered into the body. The bodies into which such powerful souls have entered do not survive for a long time but have an early death.

At that time the original soul and the other soul separate. The second soul that had entered into the body forgets all about its previous birth as it has entered into another body.

It feels the relations of the body in which it has entered are its relations. No soul takes birth as long as its blood relations are alive.

When a soul which has entered another body and comes out of that body when that body dies takes rebirth in another womb it remembers about the life of the body in which it had entered in its previous life.

This is how some persons remember their relations in their previous birth. It is only some of the souls that had entered into another body and then taken a rebirth that are able to tell about previous births.

All the souls that enter into other bodies cannot take a rebirth. Only those souls that entered into other bodies with good thoughts and acted will be able to take another birth.